Селекция - рабыня стандарта, или стандарт - раб моды?

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    Просто интересно, кто может по следующим фотографиям определить породу.

    (на фотографиях и изображениях известные собаки, считавшиеся типичными для своего времени)

    Всего 7 пород. Жду Ваши версии!

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    №1 Мастино
    №2 Корсо
    №3 Бульмас
    №4 Корсо
    №5 ???? что то похоже на мопса???, а может и боксер???
    №6 предок стаффа или пита
    №7 тоже что то боксерское
    а на самом деле вообще не знаю, очень большие изменения в экстерьере произошли за 20 век.
    Сегодня в фейсе мне спросили , вяжеться ли кобель и какой красивый стафф вообще- НА БРУШУ)))))))))))))))), я просто офигела и долго не могла вернуть себе дар речи.
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    Тань, угадала только Мастино и Бульмаса ( вплоне логично, т.к. в них хоть как-то порода видна). 6 - действительно имеет отношение к стаффо-питам, но очень далекое и на сегодняшний день это очень даже популярная порода.

    Жду предположения по пунктам 2, 4, 5, 6, 7
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    Саш ну хватит у меня сейчас времени нет лазить по стандарту стаффов и искать из кого они выведены, уже скажи кто есть кто:aggressive:
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    Боюсь создать шок, но я всё больше склоняюсь к версии что старый тип кане корсо - это древний тип мастино, растворившийся в деревенской среде, а современный кане корсо - это древний мастино, подправленный кровями нескольких пород, таких как бордос, боксер, бульмас, ротвейлер.
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    Lana-Svetlana нравится это.
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    да ты меня в вел в ступор про бордосов, английский бульдог- да наверное, а вот про шарпеев -, что удивляться, они очень боевые и порок болевой у них очень низок, поэтому нет ни чего странного, что у них и питов есть одни корни.Ну а французы и мопсы тоже типичны с оооочень короткой мордой.
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    Я в шоке))))))))
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    Информация взята не из пальца. Данные из отчета, проведенного на КРАФТ.

    Я сам в шоке, и больше всего - от сходства корсов со старым боксером и бордосом. Практически одна собака! Различий гораздо меньше чем сейчас различия между типами.
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    Вот еще.

    Удивительно, но это фото является эталонным для типичного бордоса и находится на обложке стандарта бордосов!!!

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    Вот еще знаменитая парочка 19-го века

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    А это - хорошие типичные мастино первой половины 20-го века.

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    Lana-Svetlana нравится это.
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    Саш, на самом деле, разница в головах очень большая. У бордосов стоп не корсо. Это то про что Андрей рассказывал. У мастино конвергенция не такая. И это больше проблема непонимания стандарта корсо заводчиками.
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    а шарпеев вообще нет:D
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    Саша, спасибо за информацию, интересно было посмотреть и почитать, и подумать. Лицо мое то и дело, что то вытягивалось, то скукоживалось....мдя....:dirol:
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